Unpopular Opinion: Supporting EPIC games store over Steam benefits Gamers more.

by Tusk2899. Posted on Aug 02, 2020    0    97


  1. you save money because EPIC charges developers a fair price for using their store EPIC GIVES AWAY TOP GAMES FREE LIKE GTAV, KILLING FLOOR 2, Civilization VI and WORLD WAR Z ETC

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2) Developers Save money because EPIC charges them a fair price for using their store

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3) Steam has blatantly ripped off developers to build their empire with enormous cut from the profits of their games and actually caused some companies to go bankrupt preventing us from even getting a sequel.

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4) Steam is a monopoly and has gradually shown they are willing to take full advantage of that

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5) Steam has conspired with Bethesda to charge people for Mods in Skyrim years ago and when people spoke out against it, Valve Employees outright banned the posting rights of those users on the entire Steam Platform.

I got RDR2 for $26 on Epic last week and I got GTAV Free aswell as World War Z Free while EPIC has helped to fund World War Z development

EPIC games helps developers create Cross Platform Play, World War Z for example has cross play among PC and XBOX and soon it's coming to PS4.

EPIC is actively trying to make Cross Play the norm which would have the single largest impact on Fighting Games since Fighting Games die very quickly on PC Platform. They have gone out of their way to solve the single biggest issue regarding Cross Play between Console and PC which is devs not having the money or resources to implement servers for Cross Play, EPIC is standing the cost of such a service and making it FREE in Unreal Engine 5.

You may dislike this post, however after researching and keeping a close eye on EPIC and how they have used that Fortnite money to actively benefit Gamers across the board my decision to support EPIC was an easy one.

EPIC GIVES AWAY TOP GAMES FREE LIKE GTAV, KILLING FLOOR 2, Civilization VI and WORLD WAR Z ETC


Comments

UnicornMeatball

I don't get the Epic store hate. I get good deals (got Far Cry 5 + New Dawn for like 25 bucks CDN), lots of GOOD free games and the app is fine. The only thing missing is achievements, which are coming down the pipe.

I do get annoyed by having to have 5-6 store apps to access my library, but using the GOG app solves that for the most part too.

Bolaumius 25

> I don't get the Epic store hate

Third party exclusives.

DiceDsx 25

Third party exclusives that got advertised on Steam before switching to EGS are what caused the widespread hate for Epic exclusives.

UnicornMeatball

So you hate Epic because they hurt Gabe Newell's feelings? I don't understand why I should care that something is available on Epic instead of Steam. I'm going to buy it if I want it anyway.

  Tusk2899

GabeN is pure scum and he banned steam users who complained about the Skyrim mods when he and Bethesda tried to scam people into paying for Mods.

Turambar87

It also happened like, 3 times, and Epic wasn't even an option when those games created their steam pages.

Absolutely not worth the underwear-bunching this sub has about it.

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Feenecks 17

Metro Exodus

Anno 1800

Ooblets

Mortal Shell

Phoenix Point

Rune II

Outer Wilds

Outer Worlds

Mech Warrior 5: Mercenaries (this one was horrendous as they took preorders for steam when they knew they weren't going to deliver)

Sinking City

What the Golf?

Blood Roots (this one had the beta on Steam)

Tobjasz

This is only unpopular opinion on this sub which also created "fuckepic" and also many of them are praising "crackwatch" subreddit. If you read other subs like gamedeals or "games" you will notice that people are having different perspective on the subject.

  Tusk2899

good point these same losers would curse someone who wants to support EPIC in the good things they are doing but they would also at the same time praise piracy, this doesn't surprise me by seeing the disgusting attitude of people on this sub who insult me, break the rules and get away with it.

[deleted] 17

> calls people losers

>tells people to STFU

>complains about people insulting him

Let me just get the worlds smallest violin

BigFatDookiePants

You're right but you're talking to a brick wall coming here.

SpacePistachio

Lol I forgot about point 5.

MetalGearMk3 1

Egs can suck my peepee

wicked_chew 1

Egs does have good sales. Good thing idgaf where my game launches

janwar21 1

Well, 70% of $60 is still a lot more then %88 of $0. Oh wait, Epic does gave money upfront.

Bull3trulz 4

No one cares homie

MashMash2525 5

I gotta be honest. I don't actually buy a lot of games on Steam itself any more. I usually buy via GMG, DL gamer, Fanatical etc - always on discount pretty much. Plus I just like having all my games on one platform.

I did try gamepass ultimate for $1 but you gotta play what they have - I was interested in like 3 games. One wouldn't download, one didn't turn out enjoyable and the one I did enjoy then got removed. Also, the Xbox app is a bit shit.

As for devs, that's good, but not my concern really. I'm just about convenience, user satisfaction and pricing.

Diridibindy 3

Title:

>Supporting EGS benefits gamers

Body:

>Poor devs get more mone

>Examples include indie games such as GTAV, Killing Floor 2, CIV.

LOL.


For me, epic doesn't only not benefit me but it is actually worse.

I use Steam workshop, I use Steam overlay, I use steam profiles. I use proton. Does EGS have proton or something similar? No.

DMD_Fan 3

Tim, is that you?

scorchedneurotic 18

I'm not on the hate mood that this sub has against Epic and I disagree. Hard.

EdSheeeeran 7

The only good thing the Epic Game Store has brought us are free games. But when I want to be honest I have to admit that even though I claimed all of them I have not played a single game except for World War Z with friends (like 3 hrs).

This whole Epic vs Steam thing is like a year and a half old. Seriously, I really dont care about Epic. Everyone can choose where to buy their games from and thats the point. These exclusive are just stupid and dont benefit anyone except for the developer.

  Tusk2899

The best news ever was when they added cross play for World War Z, the polish in that game is mind blowing especially after Valve decided to abandon making games for the most part. Stopped waiting for Left 4 Dead 3 and just played WWZ instead such a good game. Still shocked I got games like GTAV, Killing Floor 2, WWZ and tons others all completely free. And it's not like some trash ass game its the real deal they give away free.

Teutep 14

Come back when Epic Games has the features Steam has and then you can talk about how cheap Steam is to maintain and co.

It's funny when a client's revenue cut is compared to a client much, much better and bigger.

WhirlyTwirlyMustache 19

>Unpopular Opinion

If your words have any merit, they'll stand on their own. Whining about the perception of your views is pointless and pathetic.

khawaja07 9

Supporting epic over steam fucking harms the PC gaming space more than you think. It sets a precedent where its okay for force 1 year timed exclusives within the PC gaming space while also investing as little as possible in your own digital client while spending money on fucking exclusives.. Shit that has no place in PC gaming regardless if money goes to devs.. Its pretty bad for the ecosystem that's all about open, options and cutsomizibility.

  Tusk2899

Unless the game uses Steamworks then its worthless buying it on Steam.

GTA for example uses the rockstar DRM launcher so it doesn't matter even in the slightest where you buy it if anything it's better to just buy it from Rockstar

khawaja07 2

Well..it matters to me where i can keep all my games in one place..and idk how longer a publisher will have its service going on..but steam will always be there and in the future that publisher just might remove that DRM of theirs..so i feel that my games are future proof on steam.

  Tusk2899

Doesn't EPIC have a offline mode anyways?

Stebsis 17

Enormous cut? And what companies were bankrupt over some 15% price difference? Citations needed. If it was bankrupting companies, Sony, MS and Nintendo would be just as guilty, and the devs obviously aren't very good with their finances, or their game just sucked so no one bought it.

All other platform holders and storefronts like the ones isthereanydeal lists take the same cut as Steam. Valve also lower it down to 25% and 20% when a game sells enough. Valve also never took a cut for keys sold outside of their platform.

It's estimated that about 50-80% of copies for a game are sold directly through Steam, so their cut can get to 15% or even lower in some cases. Devs are allowed to create infinite amount of keys and sell them wherever they want, without Valve getting anything from them. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/why-valve-actually-gets-less-than-30-percent-of-steam-game-sales/

haduki41 17

more like "Epic gives me free games so ill stroke their penis"

MetalGearMk3 3

Lmfao

allyc4t 28

>Steam has blatantly ripped off developers to build their empire with enormous cut from the profits of their games and actually caused some companies to go bankrupt preventing us from even getting a sequel.

Lmao. Enormous cut btw. Also the industry standard.

Troll harder please.

TypographySnob

Who cares if it's industry standard? The point being made is that EGS gives a bigger share to its publishers, period.

allyc4t 5

He called the cut "enormous" acting as if it's not the standard.

It's not enormous. It's what everyone does.

TypographySnob

Since everyone does it, it must mean it's good as is, right! Uh duh derp.

allyc4t 5

> Since everyone does it, it must mean it's good as is

I'm glad we agree on this.

TypographySnob

I'm glad to know that you don't give a shit about supporting the games industry.

allyc4t 9

I've probably spent more than $1000 on games this year. A lot of that to independent VR games. Please tell me more about how I'm not supporting the games industry.

fh1997 14

And itch.io have a bigger share than Epic. Lets praise itch.io then?

TypographySnob

Yes, please do. What makes you think I have anything against itch.io?

fh1997 4

I don't think that you have something against itch.io. Just publisher profit from each store little more complicated than just percentage number.

TypographySnob

It sounds like you're really trying not to praise Epic for the bigger cut it gives to the publishers and devs on EGS.

fh1997 5

Because that exactly what I do. Its not working like that. 88/12 don't mean that developers will earn more than before

TypographySnob 1

It is literally what it means for self-publishing developers.

Shapitizer 26

Does EGS have a Linux client? No? Then it's a no from me.

The Linux marketshare is small, but that only makes it more impressive what Valve has done for Linux. Proton has made thousands of Windows only games playable on Linux and the the majority of Valve games have native linux versions.

Meanwhile Epic buys Psyonix and drops Linux support, and is now going to remove the game from Steam altogether. Is that good for gamers?

stonewallace17 21

lol nope

LaserGuidedPolarBear 13

I'm always skeptical of supposed consumers who are more concerned about developers than they are about consumers.

GameStunts 33
  1. Not in my region

  2. I don't care what Walmart makes on selling me milk. Developers need to take care of their funding, customers should be focused on the customer experience and our own money.

  3. Proof? Steam taking 30% like any of the consoles while providing infinite downloads for reinstallations patches and DLCs, and devs who couldn't sell enough to stay in business is nothing to do with that. You're just reading from the Epic PR handbook.

  4. No they're not. Origin, Blizzard/Battlenet, Uplay, Humble, GOG, Epic Game store are proof of that.

  5. They did not conspire, they attempted to monetize mods. I'm amazed that you make point 2 and 3 about epic giving devs more money and Steam somehow ripping devs off, but don't think that a mod maker doing most if not all of the same work making a conversion mod deserves any pay. Sincerely, fuck your double standard.

    >EPIC games helps developers create Cross Platform Play

    Except if it's Linux right?

    >EPIC is actively trying to make Cross Play the norm which would have the single largest impact on Fighting Games since Fighting Games die very quickly on PC Platform. They have gone out of their way to solve the single biggest issue regarding Cross Play between Console and PC which is devs not having the money or resources to implement servers for Cross Play, EPIC is standing the cost of such a service and making it FREE in Unreal Engine 5.

    No the biggest issue regarding console cross play has been the attitudes of Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony in trying to keep their walled garden.

    In none of your "researched" opinion do you mention the fact that the entire indie scene as we know it right now only exists because of Steam opening up it's customers and platforms to smaller developers, nearly a decade before it was common on consoles.

    You make no mention of the money they throw at proton, enabling games to run with minimal configuration on linux with no effort needed on the part of the dev, which will ultimately give us more platform agnostic options should Microsoft start walling things off again like they tried to in Windows 8.
fiction_is_RL 20

>You make no mention of the money they throw at proton

I would add how much work they put into Steam VR and Remote play too.

fh1997 32

Yes, unpopular. And its unpopular not without reason, you know...

>You save money because EPIC charges developers a fair price for using their store

Lol, absolutely not true. Fullprice absolutely the same everywhere. You really think that developers will decrease the price because they will earn more? Huh, then why CoD still worth the same 60$, decpite Activision earn almost all 100% from each transaction in Battle.net? Real world not working like this, my friend.

>Developers Save money because EPIC charges them a fair price for using their store

Firstly, why I must even care about publishers and their profit, like Ubisoft, Deep Silver or 2K? Its a fucking multibillion dollar corporation and I will have no regrets if they will earn less, but I will buy where I want.

Secondly, you are another brainwashed by Tim Sweeney 88/12 fanboy. Again, real world not working like this. Just for example: 70% from 60 bucks better, than 88% from 0 bucks, You know what Im talking about.

>Steam has blatantly ripped off developers to build their empire with enormous cut from the profits of their games

Oh no, Steam cut is enormous! How about Sony, Microsoft, Google, Apple, GOG and etc. who have absolutely the same revenue split? Blind EGS fanboy detected.

>actually caused some companies to go bankrupt preventing us from even getting a sequel

And name this companies. I need proofs. (Im sure that you cant name it, but anyway...)

The funniest thing here that EGS in first year of its existance already partially helped to kill one company - Human Head Studios, released Rune II november 12 and november 13 they stopped exist. 20 years old company with a few really good games (original Rune, Prey 2006) stopped exist right after release of their EGS exclusive. Too bad that EGS fanboys never talked about this situation.

>Steam is a monopoly

Metro 2033, Metro Last Light - was on Steam, GOG and Origin before EGS. Metro Exodus - only EGS first 6 months

Telltale's The Walking Dead (4 seasons) - was on Steam, Origin, GOG, MS Store. They was pulled from other stores and become EGS exclusives for 1 year. The remastered version STILL EGS exclusive.

Ubisoft Games - was published on Steam, Origin and Uplay before EGS. After EGS - only EGS and Uplay, so now we have less purchase options than before and only one third party store instead 2.

The Wolf Among Us - Steam, GOG. The Wolf Among Us 2 - will be EGS exclusive.

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HMMMMMMM... You feel that your argument already sucks?

>Steam has conspired with Bethesda to charge people for Mods in Skyrim years ago and when people spoke out against it, Valve Employees outright banned the posting rights of those users on the entire Steam Platform.

Lol, it was like more than 5 years ago and this paid mods was deleted less than week after anounce. Its shitty, but significantly less anti-consumer in comparison with shitty EGS practices.

>I got RDR2 for $26 on Epic last week

Congratulations. You are a product. Epic bought your loyalty for 10$ and now you are ready to praise them for that. Your post is confirmation of my statement.

>EPIC games helps developers create Cross Platform Play, World War Z for example has cross play among PC and XBOX and soon it's coming to PS4.

Oh no, nobody never made cross platform multiplayer before Epic... /s

(Portal 2, year 2011, crossplay between PC, macOS and PlayStation 3. Plus Linux in 2013. Yep, 7 (and 5) years before Epic did this in Fortnite)

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Your post full of shit

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Teutep 7

Cool, good for you. Ever thought they might be doing that because their client otherwise has nothing to offer for end users?

I agree freebies are nice, but it's foolish to think it's with no ulterior motive.

fh1997 19

>I got GTAV and World War Z for FREE so STFU ok?

Typical EGS fanboy. Reported

>Show me another company giving away these 2 games Free plus a Free $10 cupon to go with it, I will wait

There was hungreads free games for Steam. I got around 75 games on GOG via GOG connect, which worth significantly more than 7 years old GTA5 and mediocre WWZ.

  Tusk2899

You report because you can't handle the truth about EGS giving away top Tier AAA games for free? lol OK

Good thing I waited for GTAV price to go lower until finally got it free and didn't have to spend a cent especially after GTAV is the last GTA and is basically updated regular through Online and costs me nothing. Plus Rockstar adding a whole new New York City coming to GTA Online and expected full support all the way to PS6 over the next 10 years

Good thing WWZ is top notch and not mediocre like the lies you just said.

Good thing I got Killing Floor 2 for FREE and it's also top notch.

Good thing I got civilization VI for FREE and is also top notch

Good thing EGS doesn't give away crap and actually cares about giving something useful that Gamers would actually play? unlike the rubbish Valve gives away that just sits in a library?

I guess your lies won't work here.

Still waiting for you to tell me these awesome big budget top tier AAA games that Steam is giving away, still waiting

tubonjics1 7

You're delusional if you think GTA V is the last GTA. There will be a GTA VI released for next generation consoles.

  Tusk2899

lol whatever you say. I will believe that GTA6 when I See it thank you very much

fh1997 12

>You report because you can't handle the truth about EGS giving away top Tier AAA games for free? lol OK

I report you because you use swear abbreviation and already don't even notice that.

>Good thing I waited for GTAV price to go lower until finally got it free and didn't have to spend a cent

Soooo, you wait 7 years or 5 years since PC release? Lol.

>Good thing WWZ is top notch and not mediocre like the lies you just said.

Lol. EGS fanboys so funny, when someone said them that free shit in EGS is not always masterpiece.

>Good thing EGS doesn't give away crap and actually cares about giving something useful that Gamers would actually play? unlike the rubbish Valve gives away that just sits in a library?

Lol, firstly Valve almost never make giveaway itself. Its third party stores or publishers initiative. Secondly, Steam is a store, not a free games launcher, unlike guess who, he care about consumers, not about freeloaders, who wait 7 years a bigger discount on GTA 5, lol.

You just a perfect example who is the target audience of EGS. Freeloaders.

  Tusk2899

Ooh so people who use EGS are freeloaders? lol ok whatever you say.

I wonder if maybe just maybe not everybody is some rich kid who has to actually pay for Forex which in many cases can cost the price of rent in some countries for these games that EPIC gives away free. I wonder if maybe some people don't have access to credit cards because in many country you have to have a specific job making a lot of money to even be legible for one so they can't even buy games online? therefore EPIC comes to the rescue eh?

I guess when you're a STEAM fanboy who is jealous of EPIC giving away free stuff to people who can't afford it the next best bet is attack people on a personal level for not being fortunate as you, I got it.

The end result? EPIC still giving away top tier games and you can't do shit about it to stop them.

Thank god I waited and ended up getting GTAV for free along with the tons of other expensive games at no cost.

fh1997 13

You call the only one "advantage" of this launcher (its not, because EG can't and wouldn't giweaway games forever) - free games. How I must call you after that? A real consumer? You don't deserve this status, sorry. Freeloader is the best description for you.

>I guess when you're a STEAM fanboy

Such a pathetic bait. Try harder, boy.

>Thank god I waited and ended up getting GTAV for free along with the tons of other expensive games at no cost.

And you one more time confirmed that Valve lose nothing from you. If you wait 7 years to buy GTA5, which worth less than 10 bucks in RGL a few sales ago and already had over 120 mil sold copies (so everyone who had atleast 10$ already bought it, some people not even once) - you are not consumer, you are typical user of EGS

  Tusk2899

You are quite wrong, I had intentions of buying GTAV a long time now just didn't because I have a huge backlog of games, have been devoting thousands of hours to Path of Exile and Escape from Tarkov. Got it free and had no idea it was this Amazing, have no one else to thank but EPIC for this wonderful gift. Mean while steam fanboys like you rage because you know Valve isn't going to give you anything so you instead praise piracy. Unlike you I actually rather get the game free from Epic than pirate it

fh1997 6

Lol, boy. I own GTA V more than 5 years, because I preordered it. And KF2 and Civ VI and a lot of other games. Because I don't wait, when they become free

Stop whining on free 7-years old game, which worth less than 10 bucks. You look silly and every your comment looks even more funny than previous. Stop confirming, that EGS are full of freeloaders.

  Tusk2899

Ok rich guy, but other people aren't as rich as you ok? and other people don't buy games for $60 as they release ok? you know in other countries you have to buy Forex? which can sometimes cost thousands of dollars for a title you pay $60?

You sound like you are 12, your behavior isn't what I expect from a mature person.

I will refrain from telling you about the $500 USD I have spent on Heroes of Newerth cosmetics since 2009 but back then I didn't have as much responsibility as I do today.

Teutep 12

I'm also waiting for that shopping cart to hit EGS. Still waiting.

Your argument is the same as PS4 has good exclusives, thus better than PC. Let's ignore everything else like the features PC has.

Cool to get free stuff. But it doesn't fix the barebones of a client they have. They should be working on improving that instead of barking at a tree much taller.

It's pathetic. I don't complain about how much my neighbor earns, I don't know how much he has to work for it. If I'm jealous, I work to get better.

Notathrowawaypart2 16

This is the internet, you're allowed to be wrong.

TophSmash 42

lol, none of that benefits us. We dont get paid for using Epic and neither do devs. Publishers get all the money.

TypographySnob

And who do you think pays devs?...

TophSmash 7

They are salaried and typically laid off at the end of a project.

TypographySnob

Not always. Think of the self-publishing studios too.

TophSmash 3

A successful game at 70% or 88% margin is still truck loads of money.

MrSmith317 18

The publisher...and typically before the game is made. What do you think the game devs starve for years on end while making the game then throw a party with hookers and blow when the game sells? No they get paid up front usually with some kind of commission deal for certain milestones. But the people actually making the game are salaried, those that hold stock/shares in the company and the higher ups within the company reap the most benefits.

TypographySnob

Right, and if the publisher doesn't make enough money from sales, the contract won't be renewed. If developers can't get enough funding from publishers, they will need to cut costs, making worse games. Duh. Also self-published games exist.

panreg666 43

I wouldn't call it an unpopular opinion. It's just a dumb one. Plain and simple. You're entitled to have it, tho.

Also that "enormous cut" is industry standard. Ask Sony, MS, Nintendo etc.

Epic is pro devs (smaller cut, Epic grants etc.) but anti-consumer (exclusive deals, extra charges when using some of the payment methods, crap client etc.).

As a consumer, I want my game store to be pro consumer. Are you a game developer?

TypographySnob

Supporting devs means better games. You don't have to be a developer to see the benefits of not boycotting EGS.

HoshiBoshiSan 4

>Supporting devs means better games.

Fucking delusion, look at all super successful studios swimming in cash, how did that work out? Warcraft 4? Half-Life 3? oh right Call of Duty 99 and another edition of Virtual Casino NFL/NBA or whatever other atrocity used for milking sport fans. If you in this kinda fairy tales go invest some 20 000$ in to a Star Citizen spaceship and see what happens.

Where is that guarantee that more money will make "Next" game bigger and better or if there is even gonna be NEXT game at all?

TypographySnob

Of course budget isn't the only determining factor in developing a good game. I appreciate the extreme cherry picks though. Let me know when you find some non-AAA studios that didn't benefit from increased funding.

Bolaumius 16

Lol this guy thinks that trickle down economics work.

panreg666 18

You can also buy games at full price and not wait for sales. You can buy 2 copies or the same games on different platforms. Hell, you can blow your entire paycheck on MTs and support the devs hoping to get "better" games in return.

You know that most of that extra money goes to the publisher? So you won't get better games, they will just get better cars.

TypographySnob

>You can also buy games at full price and not wait for sales. You can buy 2 copies or the same games on different platforms. Hell, you can blow your entire paycheck on MTs and support the devs hoping to get "better" games in return.

...Or you can buy from a storefront that doesn't take such a big cut from the publishers. The publishers being the ones who fund game development and renew studio contracts. That is unless the game developers self-publish, which devs benefit even more from releasing on EGS.

my-name-is-puddles 5

> Also that "enormous cut" is industry standard. Ask Sony, MS, Nintendo etc.

Also I think it was industry standard before Steam even existed.

l3lkCalamity

Standards change

Bolaumius 7

You know it's funny how Timmy whines about Apple when Sony does the exact same thing with the only exception being that Sony bought some stocks from Epic.

DeletedTaters 13

And pro dev is PR bullshit sometimes. You think those savings are going to the laborers?

Hahahahaha. No.

Publishers are enjoying their fat stacks.

Sometimes the devs and publishers are the same person, but usually not

Rikze 51

Nice try Tim Sweeney

SilverDragon7 60

I'm still waiting for Steam to flex it's "monopolistic power" that these unresearched posts always post.

LG03

Slight devil's advocate here but Steam/Valve does 'flex' some, however Epic's even worse for it.

Niche genre but someone in Valve really has a problem with Visual Novels and anime styling. So developers for these games constantly have to jump through hoops in order to release on Steam and even this week one was arbitrarily removed (Bokuten) after 8 months of being on the store with no warning or notice whatsoever. This is a genre that lives and dies by exposure on Steam because it's the only way for them to reach a decent sized market.

Epic on the other hand just doesn't allow any at all.

That's just one recent example, Valve's not unquestionably the best at everything. Better than Epic for the most part but not undeserving of scrutiny.

https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/hzrxca/bokuten_removed_from_steam/

SilverDragon7 13

I don't think this is really a monopolistic issue but a censorship issue. There are other sources besides Steam in which you can get the game. Valve does deserve scrutiny when they deserve it. Someone at Valve does seem to have some problem with anime styling, but have no problem with porn games.

LG03 3

You're right, it's not so much a monopoly issue but it's never been. Kind of just going along with the jargon the morons have adopted.

The argument here with regards to VNs is that no other store has the market share or will even let them on. It's a very niche genre so even getting on Steam is never going to result in a smash hit. Taking the time to approach a store like GOG and jump through any hoops they might have is not going to result in significant sales numbers to be worth the effort. Basically if VNs can't make it on Steam then it's not worth the cost of localizing them.

Something like Bokuten is available through more direct means but it's important to remember why Steam was successful in the first place. It made buying games simple, piracy is a service problem. If people find they have to go from store to store and scatter their collection over 7 different websites without regional pricing, they're far more likely to go back to pirating.

Honestly this particular topic could do with its own submission but I'm not myself knowledgeable enough to steer. MangaGamer is also apparently still waiting to hear from Valve before making a statement.

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